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Artists are disrespectful to normal peeps. I have yet to meet an artist who actually respects a normal person who lives a normal life and works a normal job. Just because artists can't hold a real job, they expect all us normal people (and ravers since we just "scenesters") to support them and give them grants. If they made anything worth buying, they wouldn't need handouts.
I have yet to have a conversation with an artist that is normal. Artists don't have conversations, they rant and rave while you try and figure out what they are talking about.
Artists are like crack addicts. They don't do anything productive that anyone can gain from. They don't save lives or design things that makes our lives easier. They even live in the parts of town where the crack heads live. I think art is their crack, because they both have an addiction they can't handle, or else they would have real jobs.
Not to mention that protests seem to have a large population of artists in San Francisco. I guess because it doesn't matter to them if they get arrested. Its not like they have a job they have to go to, and they get 3 hots and a cot. What else can you ask for?
If burningman got rid of all the artists that no one understands, I think we would be a lot better off. No snuggle dome would get burnt down, rave camp would bump till noon, or maybe not even stop for 8 days.
Don't get me wrong, because I like the crazies that show up in costume and stuff, but man, artists just don't get it. I think we should create an artist free zone.
Peace
I have yet to have a conversation with an artist that is normal. Artists don't have conversations, they rant and rave while you try and figure out what they are talking about.
Artists are like crack addicts. They don't do anything productive that anyone can gain from. They don't save lives or design things that makes our lives easier. They even live in the parts of town where the crack heads live. I think art is their crack, because they both have an addiction they can't handle, or else they would have real jobs.
Not to mention that protests seem to have a large population of artists in San Francisco. I guess because it doesn't matter to them if they get arrested. Its not like they have a job they have to go to, and they get 3 hots and a cot. What else can you ask for?
If burningman got rid of all the artists that no one understands, I think we would be a lot better off. No snuggle dome would get burnt down, rave camp would bump till noon, or maybe not even stop for 8 days.
Don't get me wrong, because I like the crazies that show up in costume and stuff, but man, artists just don't get it. I think we should create an artist free zone.
Peace
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Re: artists are leaches
Tue, March 22, 2005 - 11:36 PM
"I think we should create an artist free zone. "
yes you should do it anywhere but on the playa where you are definatly unwanted... if anyone is lazy and a crackhead, it's todays "raver"... sad bunch of "plurry" losers who do nothing for no one and act like roaches where ever you go. you look like a prize winning fluff-puppy with your day-glo natzi anti-artist rant with your pud dragging in the dirt wanting to be a disturbance till hell freezes... sad, sad, sad... yes go away from the playa AND NEVER COME BACK. hell you'll just wind up o.d.ing and doing us all a favor.
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Re: artists are leaches
Wed, March 23, 2005 - 9:53 AMsmokey, you're like the rush limbaugh of burning man so to widen your audience i figured it would be a good idea to post this to the borg2 tribe.
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Re: artists are leaches
Wed, March 23, 2005 - 6:08 PMas I stated: " Artists are disrespectful to normal peeps"
I rest my case.
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Re: artists are leaches
Wed, March 23, 2005 - 10:04 AMSmokey has some points though.
Artists can be full of themselves and pompous asses too. Not all of them but I met more than a few.
Artists are usually not normal. Correct, and Thank God for that, otherwise we'd be stuck with Thomas Kinkade paintings and music by John Tesh.
Artists don't do anything productive that anyone can gain from. Correct again. The beauty of art is that most of the time it has no function whatsoever, it's just pure whimsy. Free yourself from the toil of subsistence and see what you can create. That may not be necessarily art, but it's a beautiful thing. And I say this from the point of view of an uncreative productive working stiff.
Protests have a large population of artists. Correct again. And Thank God for that.
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Re: artists are leaches
Wed, March 23, 2005 - 5:10 PMYou're right, some artists are crack addicts, but not for long. the crack takes over.
I have a question? What is your favorite topic of normal conversation?
You're so funny Smoky! I haven't seen you on so much fire since you set some poi socks on fire at the Pig burn!! Yer killin' me.
Now, as a writer I am compelled by my nature and former spelling bee champion to look up a definition and correct your spelling of leaches. It's leeches. leeeeeeeeeeeeeches. :)
artist by definition
art·ist ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ärtst)
n.
One, such as a painter, sculptor, or writer, who is able by virtue of imagination and talent or skill to create works of aesthetic value, especially in the fine arts.
A person whose work shows exceptional creative ability or skill: You are an artist in the kitchen.
One, such as an actor or singer, who works in the performing arts.
One who is adept at an activity, especially one involving trickery or deceit: a con artist.
ARTIST
n : a person whose creative work shows sensitivity and imagination
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Re: artists are leaches
Wed, March 23, 2005 - 5:13 PMan artist free zone -
do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it do it!! do it
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Re: artists are leaches
Sun, March 27, 2005 - 5:33 PM
bunch of republicans, what the hell have you all ever done for anyone? do any of you have any worthwile talent other than this flow of cliche? -
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Re: artists are leaches
Sun, March 27, 2005 - 11:52 PMOK, OK. I'm sorry if its lost on me but I really have to ask- are you trying to match Smokey in his flavor of humor and rabble rousing, or are you for real? -
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Re: artists are leaches
Mon, March 28, 2005 - 2:15 PM
who are you refering to...? -
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Re: artists are leaches
Tue, March 29, 2005 - 4:53 PM
i am for real lisa...
always have been always will be.
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Re: artists are leaches
Tue, March 29, 2005 - 11:47 PMYou're right, Smokey is very much about pushing boundaries and seeing what gives, gosh bless 'im. If you read all of his posts/responses you know that the tirades he has gone on here were to make a point: that it's painfully easy to hate on "others". What makes Burning Man great is that it provides a blank slate for hundreds of individuals to explore and express in whatever way they like. Every time I go out in these blessed Burner crowds I come home a different person because I have been exposed to miriad manifestations of tastes, opinions, thoughts, and desires that couldn't possibly come from one single mind. The beauty of chaos. All made possible by the beauty of community.
You are worried about the future of Burning Man. Longevity for any system comes from the ability to bend and flourish with the times. The natural shift of evolution will eventually break any inflexible structure.
If there were anything that could undermine the beautiful and unique function of Burning Man it would be attitudes of judgment and superiority. That kind of insidious thinking could squeeze out the self confidence and uninhibited freedom of expression that make BRC such a therapeutic space for souls of so many shapes and colors.
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Re: artists are leaches
Wed, March 30, 2005 - 3:10 PM
mainly, i am aginst any dissing of the artists...
smokey should understand that if it wasn't for the fire-performers doing their thing he'd still be spinning glo-sticks, give props to the innovators where they are due and quit trying to be all internal...
"If there were anything that could undermine the beautiful and unique function of Burning Man it would be attitudes of judgment and superiority. That kind of insidious thinking could squeeze out the self confidence and uninhibited freedom of expression that make BRC such a therapeutic space for souls of so many shapes and colors."
yes, that has already happened to the "rave" scene as far back as 98. what passes for a rave and ravers is just not at all what it was or should be. in the "real" days a raver was like a boyscout but just with crazy shit on... we were respecful and helpful even outside of the party scene. we even did food drives and other charitable events to help those in need... today it is the mtv whackass no imagination generation that is just a big fad (in general terms of course) that started going wrong with the infulx of rude asians some 7 years ago. now we all know what was wrong with that but maybe it straightened itself out by now and they are a bit more sociable... this is the same scene with bm and the new raver attitude. 24/7 isn't always the way to go and bm isn't a rave or dance party it is many other things if only we could get the noobs to join the vets and keep bm going in the direction of a creative thing, not a fucking event looking for a corporate or trend logo... -
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Re: artists are leaches
Wed, March 30, 2005 - 5:50 PMMy God, are y'all trying to make Tribe run out disk space or something?
Can't you just agree to disagree? You know you are going to have to put up with each other at BM, don't you? Maybe you can exchange camp locations so you can be 5 miles apart. -
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take a step back
Wed, March 30, 2005 - 11:04 PMI hear you Doc. I guess I'm trying to show that no one is really disagreeing.
As for Turner- I will say that from your last response I am understanding why you're so angry. My similar response to you on the Smackdown thread was a little snide so I will restate: I agree with you, the "ravers" that you describe do not adhere to the ideals of BM. I don't think that everyone who calls themselves a "raver" is going to fit your definition.
You have now found a new mode (with "the artists") and are afraid of this world getting swallowed by the indifferent and naive ravers that invaded your previous one. It's like any religion- many people study "the word" but somehow don't translate it into practice. I see that you are trying to stand up for those who do. By doing that through anger, you will most likely succeed only in alienation. By using terms like "influx of rude asians" you demonstrate your tendency to categorize and broadly discriminate which tends to offend individuals.
But do you really not know any "ravers" who practice PLUR (a mentality that I think rivals any Boy Scout pledge)? Or maybe you do but you simply don't call them "raver". -
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Re: take a step back
Fri, April 1, 2005 - 1:18 PM
are you trying to make me puke?
"plur" is such a lazy farce, and you know if a bunch of asians show up and are rude what the hell else do you call it? i don't hide behind some sort of touchy-feely pcness, i call it as it was... thanks for your 'can't-we-all-just-get-along' attitude but sometimes the punks have to be called a punk. i don't give truck to disrespectful imps that wave "plur" around and then act like punks... perhaps your petal spreading would do better in borg2... -
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Re: take a step back
Fri, April 1, 2005 - 6:02 PMWow. Thanks for clearing that up for me. My mistake.
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